Atheists if God in money and the pledge is so important to you?
why can't you get the history surrounding it right? Why do you say "In God We Trust" has only been on money since 1950's? It has actually been on money since 1864 when it was put on coins by an Act of Congress in 1863 (making it on our money alot longer then our money was without it).& on paper money since 1935. http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html The pledge I have heard talk about the "Founding Fathers" & the pledge. No founding father wrote the Pledge it was written 1892. It did not even contain the words United States of America until the 1940's before that it was "I pledge allegiance to my flag" nor was it brought into schools until then. The under God was added in the 50's. But it is not like the pldge was ever suppose to be secular or governmental, it was written by a Baptist minister. http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm If it is SO important we have to hear about it all the time why don't you know the history around it? Actually already knew it I just figured the links might help. People keep repeating the same inaccurate stuff over and over. If I am going to HAVE to hear about it, I at least want to read accurate historical statements so I don't keep getting annoyed over it. I still will think it is a stupid thing to be upset over, but I won;t be annoyed at the inaccurate history. the demoiselle here is two questions and answers where it has been said twice about monney and the 50's in just the last two days http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AgUp0kaJLwmpDFSivtH0Go7sy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20080508172024AAzP2dw&show=7#profile-info-JDZdPo21aa http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ai7GdnHTTExSQ9pqGmzukdbty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20080507002310AAibFEg&show=7#profile-info-J09fTNETaa
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thanks for taking your time to look that up for everyone
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And how do you know I didn't know the history?
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since when do people say that "in god we trust" has been on money only since the '50s? i've only heard that said about the pledge.
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I do know the history and have correctly stated it a number of times. It's still a violation of seperation of church and state.
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I have never heard any atheist use either argument that you state. I could not care less. I use the cash because it's there and what choice do I have? The barter system just doesn't cut it in my town -- they will not trade me a gallon of gas for some home-made pork chops. I don't say the pledge. My kids don't either. None of it really matters. .
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I read 1956. For the pledge anyway. http://www.nonbeliever.org/images/CR102-13917.pdf
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I knew all of that before I read this question. None of that changes my opinion that the references to some god should be removed from both U.S. money and the pledge.
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Thanks for the history lesson, now smother yourself in gravy.
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I love strawmen.
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it's not really important to me, i'm more interested in ridding the country of christofascism and fundamentalism
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Yeah...I knew that. But you are still admitting that the founders didn't put it there, which points to their very proper intent. It should have never been added.
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Why is it so important to Christians that you have to pair god with money?
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If the bible is so important to you, why don't you read it? And one of the reason's religion is so dangerous is that it can be used as a weapon. If a government controls religion, they control people's feelings and morals, and that's dangerous. If a government uses religion to raise morale or gain support, it's just wrong. And in 1956 that's exactly what was done. And I don't care if a minister wrote the pledge of allegiance, if we teach our kids to say it, it must be secular. Religion should never be included in school, unless teaching about it in a history, english, or mythology class.
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amen sister!
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Actually, I've only seen Christians get the history wrong. Fun Fact: The pledge was written by a socialist to sell flags to schools and used to include a weird, almost Nazi-like salute, which was promptly removed in the 30's
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Who Says its just atheists? I have no trust in the vile monster you would call "god" am i an atheist? No. We live in a secular nation. Church and state must therefore be separate for the dignity of all American Citizens. If you don't like that idea... Move to Iran.
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I always thought that god was money.Benny Hinn and Jerry Fallswell and the rest did such a good job of making me believe it.The pledge of allegiance was used to unite the country,and sell flags.You did well.
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im pretty sure like 90% of atheists know that, trust me we use as ammunition against you guys all the time.
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I know the history around it, but thank you for the lecture anyway.
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They don't get the history surrounding it because. The pledge and money mentions God. They do not believe in God there for. They do not believe in checking out history to know the facts and truths. Personal observation from being here in r&s. :-)
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Actually "in god we trust" has only been our motto since 1956, it was changed from E. Pluribus Unum. It was not added to our money until 1972 because of the delay in producing new designs for the money. Before that it was not our motto. In 1955 we added "one nation under god" because of the red scare (fear of atheist communism). Prior to that it had no reference to a religious entity, and was secular (and used for secular purposes). You are correct it was written by a Babtist socialist minister, but it was designed to be used in schools, and was made secular for that specific purpose. Niether "under god" in the pledge (as taught in public schools) nor "in god we trust" on our national money is appropriate. This is a secular nation, founded specifically on freedom of religion which specifically DOES include freedom from religion. I've never heard of founding fathers being associated with the pledge, as it was written in the 1800s long after our founding fathers passed on. I am certain however, that none of them would have approved, as they almost all claimed that rabid religious people had no place in government. And that the seperation of church and state was an open attempt to prevent such a thing.
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Even if the currency does not have in print to whom I trust, IT is & always will be to God I trust. And as for me & mine, we DO pledge alegance. Do you really think of that stuff when you are paying $4.00 for a gallon of gas?
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I personally don't give care that the word god is on the money or in the pledge, I dont think its unconstitutional, I respect the people who argue against it because they do so because they want to fight Theocracy, but the battle shouldn't be over cosmetic issues - especially since its not Unconstitutional. There are more important fights, like keeping public school science education secular, how about the rights of same sex couples to get married. We can fight Theocracy where it needs to be fought. They don't listen to me they throw out the "slippery slope" nonsense. Over 150 years the word god on currency and still no theocracy.
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Did you not actually read your own links, or did you deliberately misquote them? Isn't that a little contradictory?
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Huh! I'm going to have to look that up about the motto on the money because the last articles I read said it was made the national motto and placed on currency in the late 50s. The Pledge I knew all about before I was on here. I admit I know more about the Pledge than the "In God We Trust", but I was very sure the source I looked at stated the 50s shortly after the Pledge bit. Well, this gives me a reason to look into it and check to make sure I've got the money part right. If I've been wrong about that all this time, I'd like to get it straight. Pretty hard for me to make a decent arguement for its removal if I don't have the history and facts right. I'll take a look into that and correct any further arguements on my part if you're right about that. Thanks for pointing it out. I knew about the Pledge already, but if I'm wrong about the currency, then thanks. Learning is constant for me and if I've learned I'm wrong, I'll be all too happy to correct it in future arguements.
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Yet another touted Christian error: http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/04/635/ now, which of the founding fathers was a Christian? You'll not find many! Besides, both sides are right - what is important is that the founders realized the dangers of running a country based on the Bible - Christians would do well to see the same dangers.
